Saturday, March 03, 2007

Coulter's comments

  • This
  • is infuriating.

    CPAC is a gathering of conservatives from across the country. The opinions of those at the conference is in all likelihood a good sample of grassroots conservatives. What troubles and confuses me is that the base of the movement I consider myself apart of is ok with using this kind of hate speech. Judging from the YouTube video, the audience liked it when Ms. Coulter called a former U.S. Senator and major Presidential candidate a faggot. They are thrilled with hate being directed towards homosexuals. This is a telling fact of where the movement is right now. I think this is a sad day for Conservatism. The message sent is that homosexuals are not welcome in the conservative movement. Maybe that is the intention, and maybe conservatives are ok with that.

    Rod Dreher point us to this analysis in The American Conservative that is deadly accurate.The young men and women of the Right aren’t reading much Richard Weaver these days—nor much Robert Nisbet or Russell Kirk, to name two other seminal conservative thinkers critical of modern warfare. The time when Young Americans for Freedom wore badges blazoned with the slogan “Don’t Immanentize the Eschaton” has long passed. Now College Republicans parade in shirts proclaiming “George W. Bush Is My Homeboy.” The campus Right has almost always been more activist than intellectual, just as the wider movement has been more political than cultural. But where once students were at least familiar with the names Kirk and Weaver, or Mises and Nock, today they look to Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter for guidance. They’re little acquainted with the wisdom of the contemporary Right’s founding generation, and it shows.

    The truth hurts. It is uncomfortable for me to face this fact. I don't see a lot of intellectualism among young conservatives. If you asked them, they would tell you Reagan is the greatest President without knowing why. It is what they are told to think. I don't think classical conservative thought plays any role for most young conservatives. They probably dont know any of the thinkers listed above, or Edmund Burke, or probably even Milton Friedman. I do count politicians like Barry Goldwater or Ronald Reagan as intellectuals, but most young conservatives I come across have not read they're books.
    People like Rush Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, are not serious thinkers. If someone were to talk about "The Limbaugh Doctrine" in an academic setting they would be laughed out of the room. (I know the response will be that academic types are liberal and attack anything conservative, but aside from that being a lame absolutist argument that requires a massive burden of proof, people like Burke or Russel Kirk are taken seriously in academic settings and various settings of higher dialogue.)

    This leads me to my larger critique of the discourse on the conservative blogosphere. The hope for blogosphere a few years ago was that it would provide a massive market of opinion and a rigorous debate of the issues. The "debate" is largely ad hominem attacks. Blog readers read blogs that affirm their beliefs and they get in informational ghettos. It is hard for people to get outside of their ideological comfort zone. Sites like free republic attract kooks that use stupid little phrases like the "DemonRats" and other childish comments we see on conservative blogs all the time. This from a comment on Mark Foley: ""One more queer gone from leadership. A good thing even though he wasn't a dimorat." I see this echoed in opinion journalists like Coulter.

    What I hope to see is that conservatives distance themselves from Coulter. I dont want to hear that these comments are bad because they hurt the GOP politically. I dont want to that Ann's delivery was off. I want to hear conservatives face the fact that this is the state of the conservative movement today.

    18 Comments:

    At 6:30 AM, Blogger Phil Dillon, Prairie Apologist said...

    Josh

    I'm one of those conservatives who has read Russell Kirk. I also grew up in Massachusetts as a Democrat. The reason I left the Democratic Party was that it stopped representing me and folks like me.

    Read my blog and you'll see that while I have conservative views on many issues, I and many like me are not the strident fire eaters we're being made out to be. For example, I'm running a small city campaign for our city commission. My platform is lower taxes, dealing with the slum lords in this town who profit at the expense of minorities, and getting minorities involved in our local political processes.

     
    At 10:28 AM, Blogger Fausta said...

    I was one of the credentialed bloggers at CPAC and I assure you the bloggers there are not pleased at all at Coulter's presence.

    Go and follow the links here and see what they're saying: http://faustasblog.com/2007/02/tomorrow-at-cpac.html

     
    At 12:26 PM, Blogger Josh said...

    fausta, thanks for stopping by and I think that is encouraging news

     
    At 1:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Josh, I feel scolded. For so long I have been insulted by liberals who seem to have few ideas worth merit yet spill over with complaints and hateful sound bites. It is exhausting! So I have to admit that listening to Ann has in the past made me laugh out loud with, admittedly, guilty pleasure. To her defense, she does possess keen insight on how to look at issues and a cutting wit but alas, she can be cruel with a smile. Though she holds no office and has freedom of speech, I must admit we grassroots conservatives have to be bigger than that. Thanks for bringing me to my senses.

     
    At 6:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Josh - I think you ought to go to a CPAC before you denounce this conservative generation. There are knuckleheads in every movement - but they are not the face of conservatism.

    I've had the pleasure of going to two CPAC conventions - what a delicious opportunity it was to meet with young and old alike who cared enough about this country to teach conservative ideals - and that's who shows up at CPAC - the spirited among us that look that change the country by teaching conservatism, as Reagan did.

    You're talking nonsense because you have no idea what the hell your talking about. That is frustrating, considering I would normally give you the benefit of the doubt but for the insipid remark about the illusion of hostility to conservative thought on campus. When you get out of high school, stand before your poli - sci professor and ask aloud why we aren't reading Russel Kirk as representative of conservative philosophy, and his retort is "Kirk is only an intellectual to conservatives - conservatism is little more than traditionalism sucking on the populist tit.", then maybe you'll get it. That's the answer I got. That's the answer a lot of us get.

    Get a hold of yourself, we have enough knuckleheads without you cheering them on. And do us all a favor - go out and meet conservatives before you slander them all as simpletons. You'll find the world's is far different than you've been told...

     
    At 6:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Yes conservatives are bit thrilled to direct some "hate" at the homosexual movement. If you have not noticed, the homosexual movement is trying to achieve legal equality these days by extra constitutionally tearing down a treasured institution. When do we take to the streets?

    I guess I must confess part of me really liked Ann's comment to Edwards because part of me thinks he acts like one. Maybe you think I'm an asshole and maybe part of me is but you know what that's part of who we all are.

    I am glad Ann kicked that Anti Catholic bitch boy around a bit and yeah I'm glad gays once again got told that their shit actually does stink.

     
    At 7:34 PM, Blogger Josh said...

    anonymous,

    thanks for commenting.

    God forbid a group tries to achieve legal equality.

    "the homosexual movement is trying to achieve legal equality these days by extra constitutionally tearing down a treasured institution. " so youre mad because its unconstitutional. ok fine. any special interest group pushes its agenda through the courts whether it is constitutional or not. Such is a case in a court system that has the power of judicial review. But for obvious reasons you choose to single out gays.

    "treasured institution" ok youre opposed to marriage equality. Thats a legit opinion. But dont forget that marriage is only a government license that entitles you to benefits. There are marriages of businesses in the private sector. Marriage is a merging of two things. My point is its a legal term. That is all homosexuals are asking for. A government license.

    A union of a man and a woman is in fact sacred and religious. No church would be coerced into carrying out a gay marriage.

     
    At 8:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Josh,

    I single out gays because they are tearing down traditional marriage in order to achieve some dubious notion of marriage equality. They have most of these legal rights already, but want validation.

    "But dont forget that marriage is only a government license that entitles you to benefits. There are marriages of businesses in the private sector. Marriage is a merging of two things. My point is its a legal term. That is all homosexuals are asking for. A government license."

    I think your characterization of marriage is only half true and deeply incomplete. That little piece of paper entitling benefits is only a symbol of something that goes far deeper. Something that speaks to powerful ideas that are the basis of society... among them that man and woman were made to unify with one another, to become one person. It also says that mothers and fathers socialize children the best by providing a masculine and feminine value set to a developing child, that the procreative act of marriage is something real and important to the future of civilization.

    I understand where you are coming from with your license contention, and while it is true, conservatives must remember that a marriage license is a symbol supported by classic ideas. It is those ideas that are the basis for us being here right now.

    To issue licenses to gays puts the full weight and moral authority of the government behind the notion that those powerful ideas are no longer important to a marriage. Can any conservative honestly say this is true? I can only imagine the cultural degradation and confusion that will bring to those trying to marry and live up to marriage.

    Josh, I see us now, as if we were back in 1970, right now just before the divorce rate shot up like a J curve. Right before bad ideas took shape in pieces of paper (no fault divorce laws) and consequently the rest of society devalued marriage over the next 35 years. What has been the financial and emotional cost? Have you noticed the growth in government that has come from the destruction of the family?

    Well, today is our 1970 (x10) This is the battle ground of ideas. This is our most important mission as conservatives because if the family suffers government fills the vaccum. Are you so sure you want to open Pandora's box?

    I suppose if gay marriage becomes law, that the we'll have thrown out 5000 years of history and understanding of these great ideas in order to be in the business of issuing government validated love licenses for adults. Creepy.

    Count me out, pal.

     
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